joining me to talk about that and more, richard is back with us, former writer for clinton and nice to see you guys again. i want to play for both of you, something that grover nor kquis and he's famous for making the republicans sign a no-tax pledge. listen to what he told me. >> this is a long fight. four years of a fight and not one week of a fight. and to your earlier question, does the president want to take us over the cliff? i think now, he does. >> okay, i'll start with you as our resident republican. what i'm hearing from republican members is one of the reasons why they just are so dug in, even on raising taxes for millionaires, is because they see this as their moment. they see this as the time where they can really stop spending and keep taxing low. but are they sort of cutting off their nose to spite their face from your perch there in miami? >> actually, i'm in new york city today. >> oh, in new york. >> how about from new york? >> richard is in miami, we'll trade places. >> dana, i don't agree with f norqust. i want tthink we haven't elect aid bunch of lunatics to repres